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09:52:12

Michael Campbell
Stephan Mayr
programming

MSGID: 1:363/1701.44 28906b59

PID: XRS!% 4.50
In a message to Eddie Crawford <22 Jul 91 00:14> Stephan Mayr wrote:

 SM> We had the same problem than you and
 SM> followed some discussions of that subject
 SM> on different BBS like CompuServe, GEnie,
 SM> ... The conclusion is: It depends on
 SM> your need!
 SM> You can join in OO programming with MPW
 SM> C++ or Zortech C++. This seems to be

Is ZTC++ out yet?

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09:52:12

Ed Hackett
T.K. Conrad
Virus help!!

EID:3e20 16fb0be0
tk> It seems to have badly damaged my desktop file

Have you tried rebuilding your desktop?

tk> The virus came from a copy of "Remember v 1.2,

I too use Remember daily. I even paid for it. I would be curious to
hear more about the virus and its connection with Remember.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Craig Vaughan
Steve Lebovitz
MacWoof Menus

EID:d6a7 16fb55a0

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B6FF46

PID: MacWoof 1.0b4 Serial #000000
SL> Craig,
SL> First unread and next unread, commands 1 and 2 appear to do the same thing,
SL> take me to the next unread message.  Did you give any consideration to a
go
SL> back command to see the previous message, those of us that click too fast
may
SL> want to go back.

The main difference between First unread and Next unread is that First unread
goes back to the "top" of a message area and then searches down from there.
Next unread searches from where you are in an area.

You can go back by one message simply by hitting the left arrow key. Likewise
to advance by one message, irregardless of its "read" status, press the right
arrow key.

- Craig

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09:52:12

Craig Vaughan
Jan Ohberg
RE: MacWoof beta version available

EID:8de2 16fb5600

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B6FFFE

PID: MacWoof 1.0b4 Serial #000000
JO> Have put up one point here and runned into some problems:
JO>
JO> My point is using 1.0b2
JO>
JO> 1) It seems that the ARC part in MacWoof refuses to unarc the
JO> mailarchive I created to him. I used "PKARC -oct a" when creating the
JO> package and he can't unpack it. He is running a Classic with 2 meg memory.
JO> When he copy the file to his Amiga all went well with unarcing it and he
JO> got all the .pkt-files in it. Any problems with the Arc-part?
JO>
That is a known problem with b2 and is being corrected.

<Log info delete>

JO> The part above "Unable to retrieve file information" what does it stand
JO> for? I also noticed the rather slow speed. He useally when downloading
JO> files gets around 220 cps. Any idea what make it slow?

That message, "Unable to retrieve file information" is because I don't actually
send a "dummy" or empty packet when there is nothing outbound but rather just
send an EOT to signal that there is nothing to be sent.

- Craig

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Craig Vaughan
Steve Bigley
CommTool and File Requesting

EID:8816 16fb7da0

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B7458D

PID: MacWoof 1.0b4 Serial #000000
SB> Is there a problem with File Request byte limits?  Since you've stated that
SB> CommTool is around 700K+, have you limited the size of file requests to
SB> maybe 500K or something?

Steve:
Sorry about that... I forgot that the default in BinkleyTerm is a 500K limit.
I will set it higher (like a megabyte!) and you should be able to get it then...

- Craig

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Ray Leninger
David Garrant
Re: Using ResEdit
DG> the window that comes up has many entries listed under Type, such as
DG> ALRT, BNDL, CDEF, . . .

Those ARE resources--resource types actually.  If you double click on any
of those, you'll get a list of the resources of that type in the program.
Double-click on any of those to open it.  You may want to open some that
you'll recognize what you're looking at first just to get a "feel" for it,
like MENU, PICT, STR# , etc.  Just be sure you're messing with a copy so
if you have a major screw up you don't wish you hadn't.

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/29/91
09:52:12

Frank O'Connor
Fred Grosby
RE: Apple/ibm Agreement
FG>
FG>  Given
FG> that IBM and Microsoft came to blows over a cooperative venture
FG> (OS/2) intended to run on just one hardware platform, there may
FG> well be merit to this point of view.

The main problem with the IBM/Microsoft agreement was that the platform it
was meant to replace (Windows) really took off. Microsoft sold about 5
million copies of Windows 3, and did a cost/benefit analysis of the amount
of work required in developing OS/2. They probably thought that OS/2
wasn't worth the effort given the success of Windows.

Apple and IBM by contrast both stand to gain something in the current
agreement. Apple gets the RISC 6000 chip set (to be manufactured under
license by Motorola?) and IBM gets an Apple OS - which is something they
appear to be unable to develop. Since development of the OS will be under
an object oriented approach (and since Apple purportedly is a long way
into such development already) the issue of portability across
architectures doesn't arise.

Apple is not contracted to do anything it hasn't already been doing (cos
the switch to RISC is inevitable), and gains the IBM RISC set which from
all reports is so much better than Motorola's offering (the 88000 series).

Me? I think the US market has taken a pretty short term view of this
alliance - and think that Microsoft finally has something to worry about.
If Apple and IBM standardise on the IBM RISC set, and Apple manages to
produce a good RISC OS then its a whole new ball game in 2-3 years time.

Where will it leave the Windows environment if Microsoft fails to develop
an OS for RISC, and other manufacturers don't have access to the common
RISC chips used by Apple and IBM?

Of course it could all backfire - but there's a hell of a lot of muscle
behind the agreement which was announced.

Th other neat thing is that Apple may get access to the results which
continue to pour out of the IBM labs. Don't confuse IBM's R&D with what
they release on the market - some of the stuff under development there is
truly revolutionary. IBM's main problem over the years has been its
bureaucracy - which has been content to release mediocre hardware with
great support. They are now realising that that strategy doesn't work with
small systems ....and that users want the maximum amount of power on their
desktops and in their networks. Given that, you may be surprised what the
1990's model 'lean and mean' IBM corporate structure will release on the
world.

One final note : I'm an Apple user from way back. Apple has to make sure
that it retains its corporate culture if it wants to survive in the light
of the current agreement - cos it would be relatively simple for it to be
swallowed by Big Blue otherwise. As long as both parties maintain ?a
prudent distance we should all benefit.

                                              Regards,

--- Tabby 2.2
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09:52:12

Frank O'Connor
Roy Clay
Re: Interesting look back
RC> If you are referring to the Integrated Services Digital Network
RC> (ISDN), it *will* be brought to every home. It is being introduced
RC> into government and businesses first simply because they can get
RC> more users on more quickly with less effort. But there is no move
RC> to restrict it to business users (unless you are referring to the
RC> actions of some public utility regulatory commissions who are
RC> keeping phone rates so low that local phone companies have no funds
RC> for the capital improvements necessary to implement ISDN, but that
RC> is another matter.)

AHHH - ISDN. Have the Telecommunications Companies in the States dropped
the 64K standard established back in 1984, or are they persisting with it.
Seems starange to me that everyone standardised on such a slow data rate -
when fibre optics are already capable of megabits per channel (across
zillions of channels). Another case of the CCITT and Bell protocols
lagging far behind the capabilities of the medium.

Have they released new (and more realistic) standards yet, or are they
still stuck with 64K per channel - which is almost realisable on
conventional co-axial cable even now!

Makes you sick doesn't it?

                                         Regards,

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Frank O'Connor
Steve Levinthal
Re: Latest Challenge
SL> the screen was shaking. Not just jiggling, but physically vibrating
SL> and making a humming noise. Do you think this is a serious problem?

Nah ... the Mac was probably powering up for take-off.

                                           Regards,

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Frank O'Connor
Stephen Suh
Re: GIFs
SS> Photoshop allows files or scanned images to be saved as GIF.
SS> Assuming that they are ported over to the IBM, they should work.
SS> Isn't this correct??

Yup ... I've done it from Mac to IBM that way, and it works well.

                                               Regards,

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Paul Baily
Liz Clayton
Key Caps
 >Is there any way to generate multiple-key sequences (e.g. shift-b) using
-only-
 >KeyCaps, and not touching the actual keyboard?

Hi Liz,

The only way I got around this (I once had to rename a file using only a mouse
and this worked) is you do the character[s] in KeyCaps and the copy it to
clipboard
and paste it where you want it.

HTH,

Paul.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Paul Baily
Liz Clayton
Key Caps (again!)

EID:32a8 33413772

PID: RA 1.01 0537

MSGID: 3:680/820 4e287c26
Hi again Liz,

Just re-read your message after uploading my reply packet and realised I missed
what you were trying to ask (sorry!)...I'd tend to agree with another reply
I saw, try using KeyCaps to trigger Easy Access and then using the
sticky keys to hold the required modifiers down.

HTH more than my last one!

Paul.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Geoff Peters
Linda Cunningham
Macpublications
 > > MacWeek is only available in Australia to those lucky few who can
 > > afford an airmail sub to them. <sigh>
 >
 > Or have friends who send them their old ones, as I do for one of
 > my former hiking
 > buddies who is doing post-grad work in Sydney....  :-)

<sigh> Some people have all the breaks :-)

It wouldn't be bad if I could actually scrape together the A$171 in one hit
and send it off, as journal subscriptions are a tax deduction if they apply
to your job. But I can't, so I garner my knowledge from here and comp.sys.mac.

CI$ has just opened service in Australia (there's even a local node in
Adelaide!),
but it actually works out cheaper to dial the USA direct in the long run.
Navigator
doesn't work, thanks to Fujitsu (the owners of the Australian CIS host machine)
not running a compatible interface (grrrr).

Ah well ... one day, one day ... <sigh>


Geoff


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09:52:12

Geoff Peters
Roy Clay
Mac - Amiga
 >  GP> One day, the Mac will perform this miracle - until then, it's
 >  GP> high-powered-unix
 >  GP> systems, the Amiga (you must admit that all programs must be able to

 >  GP> use a common
 >  GP> format - mostly, but not always available) or nothing.
 >
 > You are correct but the Amiga established standards for graphics, sound,
and
 > text file formats early on called the Interchange File Format or IFF for
short.
 > Since all developers are aware of the IFF standard, their programs are
designed
 > to support this common format. This allows multiple programs from disparate
 > vendors to operate on a single file without the impediments (and possible
data
 > loss) of format conversions. Microsoft has seen the advantage of this and
is
 > now promoting its Resource Interchange File Format or RIFF. (Sounds familiar,
 > doesn't it?) I have heard of something called TIFF on the Mac but I don't
know
 > if it is a similar type of approach or if it is something entirely DIFFerent.
 > ;^)
 > Roy Clay

Microsoft won't be able to keep the RIFF tag - Letraset bagged (and registered)
that back in '87 when they released their first greyscale-retouching system,
ImageStudio. The Letraset definition of the R in RIFF is Raster.

Sorry, Billy-boy - Letraset beatcha to it :-)

TIFF (Tagged Image FF) popped up on Silicon Graphix machines in the mid-'80s,
and unfortunately, became rather loose in its definition as years went by. Now,
almost every platform supports TIFF of some kind; the trouble is, at last count
there were 21 discrete TIF formats!

Apple, Commodore and DigiDesign (the sound-board and sample editor people) did
collaborate on one standard - that of AIFF (Audio) - and that has been well
policed, so is quite manageable.


Geoff


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Geoff Peters
Chip Old
Floppy Disk problems
 >  DvR> think that the team of engineers that birthed the Imagewriter
 >  DvR> LQ was put to work on the Sony HD
 >  >
 >  EK> Didn't they also do some development work on the Apple Fax
 >  EK> Modem? :-]
 >
 > Not just the Apple FAX Modem; ALL Apple Modems, going back to the Apple Modem
 > 300.  Apple has never made a modem that wasn't low on features, high on
price.

Uh-uh. Almost all modems (with the exception of the first AppleFax Modem and
the first-release 300 and 1200 modems) were designed and manufactured by NetComm
Australia.

These days, NetComm and Farallon have a very close partnership - to the point
where the Farallon 9600 modem is actually a NetComm M5 TrailBlazer SmartModem
with Bell rather than CCITT priority.

NetComm's pricing structure looks very similar to Apple's - ultra-high quality
at a hefty price. Being Australia's last full-production (from R&D to finished
product) high capacity communications facility, they've more or less got the
modem industry in Australia to themselves (Maestro being the only exception).
The M5 is _the_ modem for use by any serious sysop, no questions asked.


Geoff


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09:52:12

Geoff Peters
Shawn Lin
MacPublications
 > GP > really - it only really
 > GP > leaves one magazine solely for Apple II users, and that's Nibble.
 >
 > Which has got to be the worst Apple II magazine around.  Featuring
programming
 > of an outdated language and use of an outdated operating system!

A bit tough when it's the only one you've got, y'know!

 > GP > BTW, what ever happened to Nibble Mac? Everyone get bored
 > GP > with MacBasic programs and HyperCard stacks, eh? :-)
 >
 > I'm pretty sure of it.  The LAST magazines I'd ever subscribe to
 > are the Nibbles.
 >  You outgrow 'em pretty quick.

Oh, I dunno ... our user group (which has about 200 members, half-half Mac and
Apple II, quite a few with both) subscribes to Nibble, and it's the most popular
Apple II oriented mag available from our lending library.

Besides, I enjoy reading Sandy Mossberg's work - he's fairly up on his P's and
2's and delights in exposing the innnards of Apple's System Software to the
masses - and how to transmogrify them into all sorts of weird and wonderful
lumps of code.

I still use Apple II's a lot, strangely enough. In my music studio I have three
II+'s doing odd things to MIDI data in one form or another, an enhanced //e
keeps my Mirage sampler modules happy, another //e _is_ a sampler (running the
Greengate DS-4 system), and yet another II+ is my alphaSyntauri synthesizer.
A 1MHz 6502 is a doddle to program, and is more than fast enough to do serious
data-grunging on a 31.25kbits/sec data stream. I have a IIgs in the lounge
running
CEEFAX (a FORTH-like programming language designed to create abstract graphics),
another II+ runs my security system and the little woman uses a modified II
clone as her recipe database.

Why so many II's in the house? In a word, slots. Lots of slots. And they're
easy to handle or add to, unlike smart slots like NuBus. Don't knock me, I love
my Macs (one in the studio, one in the study); I just refuse to believe the
II is a dead duck. Besides, how could I run my studio if I replaced every II
with a Mac?


Geoff


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Brad Ackerman
Doug Von Roeder
RE: In a message to John Veraldi
DvR> The Dove Fax uses its own power supply - the annoying thing about that
is
DvR> 0that it doesn't have an On/Off switch!
DvR> I have talked to Dove and they have added that little "feature".

    Do you whether or not I can exchange mine for one with that "feature"?


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09:52:12

Brad Ackerman
Erik Kennedy
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B
EK> Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with Claris, although I wouldn't mind
EK> being a MW Pro beta site (hint, hint).
EK> 0


Along the same lines, I wouldn't mind being a Tabby 3.0 beta site (hint, hint).

--- Tabby 2.2
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09:52:12

Brad Ackerman
Fran Sciacca
RE: PixelView I & Mac+
FS>         My voice # is: 591-7942. It's unpublished and not in the book.
FS> Fran


Yeah, but now over 50,000 people worldwide know it.  You should send stuff
like that by netmail.

-Brad Ackerman
(Hermes lover extrordinaire)

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/29/91
09:52:12

Gregg Phillips
Chris Silverberg
RE>RE> Fidonet routing

EID:056c 16f99b60

Hi Chris,

This isn't bad, but not as spontaneous as AOL. ;)

     CS> Yes, that might be wrong... maybe. Your HUB should be Poll if
     CS> you are picking up echomail from him... if you are not picking
     CS> up echomail from your HUB, then he should be DIRECT.

That looks confusing up there but I think I understand what you are saying.
 Yes, I am receiving messages from my HUB and yes, I do have my software set
to Poll him.  Is this correct?

-Gregg

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Gregg Phillips
Erik Kennedy
RE>Re: CI$ Software

EID:46b5 16f99c60

Hi Erik,

     EK> WHAT? They dropped 2400 baud support? When?

     EK> I was on the verge of biting the bullet and subscribing. No
     EK> way now. I only hope they can be made to realize that with the
     EK> plant coming online next year it's in their best interests to
     EK> change their minds.

You were responding to someone that lost his 2400 node only, not AOL.  America
Online is Packet Switched at 19,200 baud to BP Tymnet and hopefully will have
9600 baud support soon.

Everyone that logs on to AOL does so either through Telenet, Tymnet or Datapac.
 AOL does not, that I am aware of have direct access.  So your baud rate would
depend on what your local Node with one of the companies above support.

AOL software is free, once you receive the software the setup is great.  It
calls an 800 number for you and locates 2 local numbers for you to use.
Preferably
one with Tymnet and one with Telenet.  At this time you select the node with
the highest baud rate that your modem will handle.  The baud rates of the nodes
is listed with the number.  Once you have selected the numbers that you want
AOL automatically enters them into its database and logs you off so you can
log on with one of the new numbers you have selected.

-Gregg

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09:52:12

Gregg Phillips
Chris Silverberg
RE>RE> Fidonet routing

EID:056c 16f99e80

Hi Chris,

Are you using TeleFinder with your Tabby?  If so you must be either using
another
mailer or Quote key than I can find.  Your messages are getting broken up by
line feeds or carriage returns.  Just wondering, also my Quoter DA will not
handle the Header in TeleFinder, hence the curiosity.

     SC> Well, Fidonet was designed this way to actually make things a
     SC> bit more sane.
     SC>  Instead of every node trying to call directly, (perhaps some
     SC> nodes receive a lot of messages through Netmail), every node
     SC> sends to HUBs (which during Zone Mail Hour, are in receive
     SC> only mode). Then usually, at a later time, maybe at 5 or 6,
     SC> the HUBs route the mail to the individual nodes. This usually
     SC> works out fine in that the HUB is USUALLY a local call to the
     SC> BBS. Perhaps it's a little work to be a HUB yes, but most
     SC> HUB's (from what i've seen) seen to enjoy the responsibility
     SC> and the "HUB" title.

Fortunately I am not into titles or I would be dissatisfied with just an AFC
in front of my name. ;)  Actually, you are quite correct, my HUB is local and
he does seem to enjoy the title and the work.  I wish him Godspeed, the only
problem that I have is that I am surrounded by Dos systems and therefore my
HUB apparently decides what he will choose from the RC and unfortunately for
me these are mostly Dos related.

I am currently thinking of changing over to the HUB 400 since BMUG came online
I think they may have more make related topics even though this would mean a
long distance call I think it would be worth it.

Talk to you soon.

-Gregg

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09:52:12

Gregg Phillips
John Skeehan
RE>Re: New MaxAppleZoom

EID:1e39 16f9a020

Hi John,

     JS> Geoff there is now version 1.42 of MaxAppleZoom - July
     JS> 20,1991. Works fine in 1 bit mode, system 7.0 compatable, also
     JS> has a portrait mode, works on MacIIfx and 8*24 card ( not
     JS> 8*24GC), and *NO TIME LIMITS*. yea!

It doesn't work on my fx and 824 card from Apple.  I have tried about everything
that I can think of including disabling all inits except MAZ.  Once I did this
it refused to load altogether.  At least with the other inits it would recognize
my video board.

-Gregg

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09:52:12

Eddie Crawford
Mark Munro
RE: Re: SOFTPC
Why dont you just get Microsoft flight simulator for the mac?! They are
supposed to be releasing a new and improved version shortly as well...

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09:52:12

Ralph Wade Phillips
Casey Offord
1.44 meg external floppy
Casey Offord writes in a message to All on 23 Jul 91

CO> Is it possible to put an external 1.44 meg floppy drive on a
CO> Mac Plus? I am getting one and have everything on HD disks and
CO> need to copy them. Is there any way to put an internal 1.44 dive
CO> in it? Thanks...

Casey -

     Can we put an external 1.44meg drive on a Mac Plus?  Kind of.  What it
takes is the Kennect Rapport and the Kennect Drive 2.4.  It's a 2.4meg drive
that is backwards compatible with all previous Macintosh, IBM, and Apple //
3.5" disk standards.

     Is it worth the money?  If you don't have the Plus yet, by the time you
pay for the freight on it, the Rapport, and the Drive 2.4, you're very close
to the list of the base line Classic, which is faster and also has the 1.44meg
floppy built in ... so, if I were you, I'd forget the Plus and get a Classic.

     My Arrogant Opinion, of course! <B-)

     RwP

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09:52:12

Ralph Wade Phillips
Art Cline
Makeing PS File with sys 7
Art Cline writes in a message to All on 22 Jul 91

AC>  I am running sys 7 on a SE/30 I am trying to save files as PS
AC> to later run through Freedom Of The Press To a Apple Laser Writer
AC> LS. It is supposed to work according to the software people at
AC> Custom applications:

Art -

     Close to the bottom of the System 7 LaserWriter driver's Print dialog box,
you will find a pair of check buttons.  One directs to a file, the other to
the printer.

     The Cmd=K doesn't work anymore - but then again, it doesn't HAVE to, since
we can now select both the file and the file name at our disgression!

     See also the Apple "Macintosh Reference for System 7", Page 131, for an
example of the basic dialog box. Said manual comes in the purchased System 7
upgrade, and also is available separately at some Apple dealers (Apple sells
them in 5paks, but some dealers will bust a 5pak so you can purchase just the
manual, if you wish.)

     RwP

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Chip Old
Art Cline
RE: Makeing PS File with sys 7


In a message to All dated 22 Jul 91, you wrote:

 AC> Does any one know the key routine to make a PS file when you go to
 AC> print a document?  A person used to be able to command k or
 AC> command f or return k and make a PS file to send to a printer
 AC> later.  I am running sys 7 on a SE/30 I am trying to save files as
 AC> PS to later run through      Freedom Of The Press    To a Apple
 AC> Laser Writer LS.

Use the System 7 version of the LaserWriter printer driver.  Its print dialog
includes a radio button which, when selected, "prints" the document to a
PostScript
file.


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09:52:12

Chip Old
Garner Miller
RE: IIcx Memory Installation


In a message to All dated 25 Jul 91, you asked:

 GM> I'm installing memory in a friend's IIcx.  He's got 8 256k SIMMs
 GM> comprising 2 megs now, and wants to move up to 5.  Which memory
 GM> bank do I upgrade with the 1-meg chips: A or B?

Bank A.  In an SE/30, II, IIx, IIcx or IIfx, if the SIMMs in one bank are not
the same capacity as those in the other bank, then the SIMMs with the higher
capacity must always be put in Bank A.


--- Copernicus Point II (d11)
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07/29/91
09:52:12

Steven Triano
All
Disk organization
I am looking for a good disk organizer.  I have too many floppy disks
without labels.  I need to label them and catagorize them.  Anybody know a
good program that could help me out?

--- Tabby 2.2
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07/29/91
09:52:12

Liz Clayton
Dorman Bullard
RE: System 7 tricks

EID:a31f 16fa9c20

Dorman Bullard writes to Liz Clayton in a message of 24 Jul 91...

> Does anyone know how to get the cute balloon help comment on MacsBug?  I can't

> seem to get anything...

DB>  I haven't done it, but the reference I have suggests putting
DB> the cursor on the icon of MacsBug itself.

DUHHHHH!!!!!

Tried that, no dice.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Liz Clayton
Bruce Tomlin
System 7 tricks

EID:a595 16fa9c40

Bruce Tomlin writes to Liz Clayton in a message of 24 Jul 91...

 LC> Does anyone know how to get the cute balloon help comment on
 LC> MacsBug?  I can't seem to get anything...

BT>  Turn on Balloon help and point to the MacsBug icon in your System
BT> Folder. I don't know if you need the latest version (6.2) or
BT> not, but I don't think so.

I'm using 6.2d5, and nada happens when I point at the icon.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Dr Doug
All
BBS in New Orleans
I'm getting ready to move to New Orleans. Does anyone know of any Mac boards
in that area??

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Shawn Lin
Ed Hackett
CommSoft

PID: RA 1.01 2307

MSGID: 1:284/4 4e301da6
EH > In a word: Z Term. Widely available from on line services
EH > and bbs's.  Cost 30 dollars.

Will ZTerm run on a 512k Mac?  I heard it'll even run on a 128k Mac but I'm
just making sure.  Yeah, obviously I'm not a power user but I plan to upgrade
to 2 megs.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Shawn Lin
Liz Clayton
Macintosh in an Amiga

PID: RA 1.01 2307

MSGID: 1:284/4 4e3021c8
LC > There is a software emulator for the Amiga, called AMAX,

It's not software, it's a hardware device that plugs into the Amiga.  It also
requires for one to buy Mac ROMs to plug in, and a Mac compatible 800k floppy.
        I think there should be an Amiga emulator for the Mac though.  The Amiga
is a very nice computer.  Since they use the same processor, it could be done.
 It'd be even nicer if it was a software emulator.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Jim Hughey
All
SoftPC and Allen-Bradley Software
Has anyone ever successfully run Allen-Bradley 6200 series software on the
Macintosh using SoftPC from Insignia Solutions?  I have been able to
operate the program in the offline mode to develope PLC-5 software and
save it to disk.  What I need is to run online.  I have purchased the
Allen-Bradley Data Highway Communication Interface Box which operates
between any IBM XT or AT and run ONLINE, but I cannot get the Mac running
SoftPC to do the same.  It appears that the RS-232 lines needed to operate
ONLINE are not supported by SoftPC.  I have successfully operated other
Allen-Bradley software ie. the SLC 100/150 PCIS software ONLINE, but so
far no luck with the PLC-5 6200 series software.  Has anyone tried this,
done this, with success?  Is it possible?  Most Allen-Bradley personnel
are so Mac illiterate, I have trouble describing the problem, let alone
get an answer.
Has any Mac owner accomplished this another way?  Using a hardware
solution rather than SoftPC???  Any ideas appreciated...I'm getting
desperate.
                                        Thanx in advance,
                                                Jim

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07/29/91
09:52:12

John Rummel
Jason Garrett
RE: Maxfiles Information

EID:4919 16faa5e0

Jason Garrett writes re MaxFiles tendency to display info about an Alias:

>
> I like that feature.  If you would rather have Maxfiles do that, would
> you also rather have the finder disply the information about the
> application behind the alias?  I think it is just fine 'as is'.
>

  No. Specficially, I'd like just to see MaxFiles recognize _folder_ aliases
for what they are: doors to the appropriate folder. Double clicking on anything
else in MaxFiles is redundant now since the Launch feature does not function
under Multifinder/System 7.


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Stephen Rea
David Garrant
RE: RESEDIT-->RESOURCE FORK?

MSGID: 1:260/204 28914bfc
ResEdit graphically edits the resource fork of any file.  Disk editors like
Norton, MacTools, SUM Tools, etc. can only edit the hex code of resource forks.
 When you open a file with ResEdit, it displays a list of all the resources
contained in it.  Opening any resource type presents a list of specific
resources
that can be opened and edited.

Steve

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Rick Emerson
Roger Perry
disinfectant

EID:f0fa 16fb8590

MSGID: 1:273/715.6 2891a316

REPLY: 1:321/110 28903594

In a msg of <26 Jul 91> to All, Roger Perry posted:

 RP> Hello, could someone please tell me the latest version of Disinfectant?
 RP> Thank you for any information you can provide.

V2.5.1 (the first bug fix that John Norstad had to release - darn good record,
I'd say).


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Rick Emerson
Leo Bores
Word

EID:79bb 16fb85bd

MSGID: 1:273/715.6 2891a385

In a msg of <26 Jul 91> to All, Leo Bores posted:

 LB> Does anybody know the keystroke sequence to open a Word file to the last
 LB> cursor positin?

Wish I had the sequence but I don't.  In the interim, why not put a bookmark
at that point and go to the bookmark (or am I confusing Word for Mac and Word
For Windows)?


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Rick Emerson
Steve Repp
512K

EID:4a0a 16fb85e6

MSGID: 1:273/715.6 2891a3d8

REPLY: 1:282/61 4e2d23dc

In a msg of <25 Jul 91> to All, Steve Repp posted:

 SR> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if a Mac512k that was upgraded
to
 SR> a plus would have an AppleTalk card installed? ---

No because even the 512 Mac is AppleTalk capable.  There is no AppleTalk card
for any of the 128 through Plus series; the printer port is used as the
connector.


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Mike Taylor
Delon Bradley
RE: MacWoof 1.0b2 available...

Thus quoth the Raven ...

DB> For MacWoof there is another Comm toolbox that is need with the
DB> toolbox already with Sys 7. I havn't been able to find it, is
DB> there anyone that can tell me where to download it?

There is no other *toolbox* that you need.  All you need is the serial *tool*
which should be available all over.


               Mike


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Mike Taylor
Jason Garrett
Folder Locking

Thus quoth the Raven ...

JG> All you may need to do is just protect the application and the
JG> other things (Dictionary, Help, etc..) with an application like
JG> MacTools Deluxe or Copy II Mac

What kind of protection can you set with either of these?  I've got Copy II,
but I'd be afraid to use it.  I really doubt it works under System 7.

JG> Someone with a very small amount of knowledge can 'break' this
JG> protectio

Yes, but the people using this computer don't even have a small amount of....
well, let's just say that they probably won't figure it out =8)  We're going
to try the invisible trick right now.  We have to install DiskTools, make the
files invisible, the uninstall Disktools so no one can see the files (or steal
Disktools for that matter).  Though Word is invisible, my wife just
double-clicks
on the document and Word launches just fine.  That is more or less what we need
at minimum.


               Mike



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07/29/91
09:52:12

Miles Abernathy
All
Single Pulse Out Serial Port

EID:3ada 16fb9f20
  I am looking for a way to get QuickBASIC to send single pulses out the
serial port. They will be used to control some external equipment, if I
can figure out a way to get them out. A friend who uses an Apple ][ says
he can POKE to a particular address to accomplish the task, but neither of
us has any idea of what address that would be on a Mac. Any suggestions?
     Miles

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Brad Ackerman
Jackie Tanaka
RE: Balloon Help
JT> Do any of you use the Balloon Help feature of System 7.0
JT> or do you just find it an annoyance?
JT> 0
JT> I find it annoying except for the the Finder ShortCuts feature.


Well, there *are* some other cool Balloon Help things, like the balloon that
appears when you point to MacsBug (6.2 or later).


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07/29/91
09:52:12

Bruce Tomlin
Steve Bigley
Re: Modem Ports on an LC

MSGID: 1:387/555 7e0b8a3f

REPLY: 1:234/4.1701 7d078ad7
 SB> as the "handshake in" line, and pin 2 as the "handshake out" line.
 SB> Will a "hardware handshake" cable use these pins?

Yes.  If you use an ohmmeter it should show them connected to pins 4 and
5 on the 25-pin connector.

Mac pin 1 (HSKout) -> pin 4 (RTS) and maybe 20 as well
    pin 2 (HSKin)  <- pin 5 (CTS)
    pin 3 (TxD-)   -> pin 2 (TxD)
    pin 4 (GND)   <-> pin 7 (Signal Gnd) and optionally pin 1
    pin 5 (RxD-)   <- pin 3 (RxD)
    pin 6 (TxD+)  --- no connection
    pin 7 (NONE)   <- pin 8 (DCD)
    pin 8 (RxD+)   <- pin 7 (Gnd) and optionally pin 1

 SB> I've got the hardware handshake enabled on ZTerm (and MicroPhone
 SB> II).  I still seem to get a /ARQ/etc connection with 9600 lines,
 SB> just poor thru-put.  Still sound like I need that hardware handshake
 SB> cable, or is it me?

If you don't have the handshake lines hooked up between computer and
modem, they aren't doing much good.  :)

--- FD 1.99c
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07/29/91
09:52:12

Joseph Cartolano
David Garrant
Re: UNLABELED HD FLOPPIES REALLY SONYS?

EID:0661 16f98d40
 Yes they very well could be I purchase disks HD's in Manhattan at J&R
Music's computer store for the last I checked 12.99 thats for ten
that's 1.29 with the label simple manufacturing would dictate that
Sony would manufacture for less than 70 cents probabaly 40cents.
It would be VERY lucrative to sell en mass Sony disks for say around
65 to 70 cents to a dealer and then the dealer make a like markup
and sell thousands more disks per month. I can just see the dollars flying
in $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                                           Joe Cartolano

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Harry Weppner
Steve Bigley
RE: Re: Modem Ports on an LC

EID:fac0 16f94cc0
Hi Steve!

Its not a hardware fault!! You need to tell more about:
- what commprogram?? (handshaking ? hardware : software)

- locked to what baud rate!?

Cheerio, Harry.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Harry Weppner
Craig Vaughan
No connection manager!?

EID:30c8 16f94dc0
Hi Craigh!

I just downloaded a copy of your new point software. I was glad to hear that
it supports the CTB but I found out that this is only halfways true :-(

Why not fully support the CTB!? Is this such a hazzle!? I mean, you need to
choose between a variety of devices not only between printer and modem!

Im talking about those great modems from GlaobalVillage called TelePort :-)

Cheerio, Harry.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Jim Redelfs
Ralph Wade Phillips
RE: Line Noise?
> If the phone company wants to fuss, just very politely tell them that
> you ARE paying for quality phone service, and if they don't want to
> live up to the FEDERAL tariffs, you WILL let the PUC (Public
> Utilities Commision) know about it, especially next time a rate
> increase comes before the PUC.

As a telephone repair tech, I thought I'd add my two-cents worth here.

Based on my experience, most voice-grade copper loops will handle 2400 baud
without problems - IF they sound good using voice.  I have read somewhere that
2400 baud is the MAXIMUM that the phone(y) companies are required to support
properly on non-specially-conditioned (voice) lines.

I've gotten the {{{{}}}}} thingies on MY line and, since *I* am my own area
technician, you can be assured that my copper loop is PERFECT!

> Have him do the full suite of tests on it, including phase coherency.

I've never HEARD of this before.  Could you elaborate, please?

> Do it politely, tho -

This is VERY nice!  I wish everyone subscribed to that!

JR





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09:52:12


Joseph Emmanuel
Franke Ojeda

EID:2aa4 16fb9300
RE: MacWoof beta version available
Franke Ojeda writes in a message to Dorman Bullard on 24 Jul 91

DB>  But it could get tiresome if EchoMac were to be used as a support
DB>  echo, with every bug and fix discussed and people posting requests
DB>  for support.
FO>
FO> But it could get tiresome if EchoMac were to be used as a whining
FO> echo, with every little "implicit rule" being debated and people
FO> posting requests for support for their "opinions"

As I mentioned before, the best place to support Macwoof is in the MACPOINT
echo.  Indeed the best place to support any question/help is in the approprate
echo r


FO> Why don't we all just let Liz Clayton do her job?
FO> She IS watching this echo, right? She DOES have a keyboard, right?
FO> So, if any "trend" gets out of hand, she IS quite capable of
FO> handling the situation!

Indeed if the moderator ask the questions and supports for every subject to
be carried to approprate echo (as much as possible), Then not only ECHMAC
benefits,
b

These are my HO.

     -Joseph

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Joseph Emmanuel
Craig Vaughan

EID:d7c7 16fb98a0
RE: Re: MacWoof version 1.0b3 available

> Also, I don't really want to use EchoMac as the support echo for
> MacWoof. I am in the process of getting the MacWoof echo onto the
> Backbone. It will be listed in EList.108 and should shortly
> thereafter be available from the backbone.

So you are going to have an echo for MacWoof too.  The idea of one echo to
support all points for Mac seems does not appeal to any of the developers.
I
will continue supporting MACPOINT as a general porpuse echo for Mac points.

I hope at least all the developers of the off line readers for Mac participate

in the MACPOINT echo.

    -Joseph

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Doug Von Roeder
Mike Steiner
WORD AND THE SI

EID:c7af 16fa41c0

Mike Steiner writes in a message to Doug von Roeder

MS>  I was a salesperson at an Apple dealership at the time; Apple's
MS> advertising made a big thing of the fact that the Mac II was
MS> the only computer that came standard with an FPU.

Ooops - I thought that they _didn't_ come with the FPU!
Thanks for the straight skinny.

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Al Varnell
Randy Marcy
Re: Canvas

EID:9653 16fb90c0

In a message to me on 07/18/91 you wrote:

> Question. I am looking for a paint/drawing program to help with a
> newsletter I do. I am using Page Maker. Will Canvas save in formats
> that can be used by this program?

By the time I got the question, you already had a half dozen answers
posted, so I held off.

The only information I can add is from a poster that MacUser magazine had
a few months back called "Guide to Graphics Formats." PageMaker 4.0 can
display and print in all eleven of the formats listed. It cannot edit any
format. Canvas 2.1 can display and edit all but TIFF color and EPS (both
ASCII & binary). It can edit MacPaint/PICT bit map, PICT object, PICT2
8-bit & 24-bit object, & TIFF monochrome. It can convert anything it
displays to EPS ASCII using an included utility called the Canvas
Separator.

So I think the answer to your question is yes, but the only way to know
for certain is to try it out the way you want to use it first.

        -Al-

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09:52:12

Al Varnell
Ross Walton
RE: CRACKING THE CLASSIC CASE

EID:e0dd 16fb90e0

In a message to me on 07/19/91 you wrote lots of information on the above
subject. Unfortunately it was Stan James who asked the question, not me.

        -Al-

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Al Varnell
Stan James
Re: Problems with Personal LaserWriter N

EID:6c2d 16fb9120

In a message to All dated 07/26/91 at 21:28:27, Stan James writes:

SJ> I recently purchased a lightly used Personal LaserWriter NT, and I
SJ> love it... But, I am having a few little problems. Any help would
SJ> be greatly appreciated:
SJ>
SJ> 1. Any document with TrueType fonts will not print. (I use ATM for
SJ> the fonts _in_ my printer, TrueType for others) Could the problem
SJ> be an old printer driver?

Everybody seems to have slightly different experiences, but here's the
best advise I can give you. Make sure all fonts of the same name only
appear in one place. Put all of your Chicago, Geneva and Monoco fonts in
the system only. Since some have to be there anyway, put them all there.
If you use suitcases with Suitcase II (make sure it's version 1.2.10 and
modify it if need be) or Master Juggler, put all the fonts with the same
name (ID number) into one suitcase and nowhere else. Although ATM (I think
you need version 2.0) can be made to work with TrueType, I'm not sure it's
worth the effort. I have a tip sheet from Adobe on how to do it, but after
talking to somebody at work yesterday about it, he got different advise
over the phone from the Adobe support folks. When I left him after about
an hour of experimentation, he was ready to chuck ATM for good.

One last thing is that the order of use of bit-map, TrueType, PostScript
and ATM is different for screen draw and printing and that changed between
7.0b4 and 7.0GM. I think that 6.0.7 with the TT INIT uses the old rules.
You can screw the whole thing up by trying to use a TrueType font and
checking the Font Substitution box in Page Setup, at least for Geneva,
Monaco, New York and Seattle (but who still uses the latter?)

Confused? I am.

SJ> 2. Letter printing utilities, like KiwiEnvelopes and
SJ> EasyEnvelopes+, seem to print on the wrong side of the printer. I
SJ> enter my envelopes on the right side, but those utilities print on
SJ> the left! Is there any solution?

Enter your envelopes on the left side?

        -Al-

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Al Varnell
Liz Clayton
RE: MacWoof 1.0b2 available...

EID:d522 16fb9140

In a message to Mike Steiner dated 07/24/91 at 16:45:57, Liz Clayton
writes:

FO> The Communications Toolbox IS built-in to System 7. The BOX is
FO> there, but the TOOLS you use... well, that's up to you. For MacWoof,
FO> you have to drag the Serial Tool into the Communications Folder
FO> in your System Folder.

MS>  In system 7, you drag it into the Extensions folder.

LC> Great, but where do I -find- this "Serial Tool"?

It comes on the second disk of the Communications Toolbox, only $80 with
documentation from APDA.

Craig Vaughan has the latest version 1.0.1 on his board (MacWoof Test
Central (1:109/342.365)), as SERT101.CPT. I got it by calling his board
direct at [phone] (1200/2400/9600v.32). You can start downloading
after the first call.

        -Al-

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Al Varnell
Steve Bigley
Re: IIsi reboot/reset switch...

EID:9da9 16fb9160

SB> I've got the same problem with the LC. The <CMD>-<CTL>-<RESET>
SB> works to reboot, but I've never gotten the interrupt to work. What
SB> is this Programmers' Key INIT, and where can I get it? And will it
SB> work with SYS7?

The one I use is an INIT called P Key and get info says the version is
"Programmer's Key (c) 1987, P. Mercer. It's in shareware collections
everywhere and works just fine with system 7.0 on the IIx and fx at work.

        -Al-

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09:52:12

Al Varnell
Ira Lunsk
Re: MacWoof

EID:010e 16fb9180

In a message to All dated 07/22/91 at 22:24:36, Ira Lunsk writes:

IL> Would someone post a number where I cold freq this file and where I
IL> can get the serial tool? I have the comm toolbox, I'm running
IL> Hermes, but not the serial tool. I have system seven, not installed
IL> yet, can I use the serial tool from system 7? Thanks for all and
IL> any replies.

Both from Craig Vaughan on his board (MacWoof Test Central
(1:109/342.365)), as MACWOOF.CPT and SERT101.CPT. I got it by calling his
board direct at [phone] (1200/2400/9600v.32). You can start
downloading after the first call. Craig said it is also available from the
personal download section of the Twilight Clone [phone].

The serial tool that works with system 7 should be exactly the same no
matter what system you are using. The only change I noticed between
version 1.0 and 1.0.1 was the system 7 color icons and bubble help.

        -Al-

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Al Varnell
Liz Clayton
Re: IIsi reboot/reset switch...

EID:ce12 16fb91a0

In a message to Lawson English on 07/22/91 you wrote:

> You need to have the "Programmer's Key" INIT installed, and then the
> following will work:
>
> Command-Reset: Interrupt
> Command-Control-Reset: Reboot

Liz, we've had this conversation before, as I recall. You don't need the
Programmer's Key INIT installed to have Command-Control-Power On cause a
Reset on the IIsi. It's built in somewhere (ROM/hardware/6.0.7?). Page 15
of the manual that comes with the machine also says that Command-Power On
will cause an Interrupt, but it never did on my machine with out the P-Key
INIT.

        -Al-

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Bruce Tomlin
RE: Apple/ibm Agreement

EID:ffb9 16fb6340

>  EK> Ever seen Southern Californians try to drive in the snow?
>  EK> If it weren't so tragic, it'd be funny.
>
> San Antonians are just as bad.  Whenever the weather is freezing they
> just shut down the highways.  Supposedly we're lucky to have a source
> of very good gravel here for iced highways.

When I was in junior high and high school (all of 2-6 years ago :-]), one of
the things that ticked me off about this city was that my school district was
(and still is) extermely reluctant to shut down on bad-weather days. If the
buses could run, we would go to school in up to foot-and-a-half high snowdrifts.
On average, we had maybe two snow cnacellations a year, and far, far more days
where there should have been, IMHO.

My high school only had one Mac, too. (How's that for a desperate attempt to
get back on-topic?)

Erik

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Bruce Tomlin
RE: Balloon Help: Is Nisus Nicer?

EID:f701 16fb6500

>  EK> Hey, I just saw an ad for Nisus XS, the spiffy new add-on for 7.0
>  EK> to Nisus 3.06, and its help balloons have colored text in them. Is
>  EK> this a feature specific to Nisus, or are my Plus and I missing out
>  EK> on something?
>
> What you're missing out on is that Nisus is so full of kitchen sinks
> that it makes Fullwrite look wimpy.  (Except that Fullwrite is mucho
> slow)  That's what I gather about Nisus anyhow.

As Douglas Adams said in the May 90 MacUser, "The very act of pulling down the
[Nisus] macros menu causes lights to dim all over North London." (Sorry, Doug.
But hey, I own all six of the HGG/Gently novels, so I helped pay for that copy
of Nisus, and the Portable, and the IIx, and...)

> Colored text in the help balloons?  I think they've just won the 1991 Bells
> & Whistles award.

To me, 24-bit color just means 8 million shades of black and 8 million shades
of white. :-]

Erik

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09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Liz Clayton
RE: Re: HELP!

EID:0ed3 16fb66c0

> Yeah...I just checked my MacUser address label and it seems I'm subscribing
> through something like Aug '94....not to nit pick, but seeing as I'll have
> graduated high school about 14 months prior to that, it could be a bit of
> overkill.
>
> Do you think they'll let me "downgrade" my subscription?

Well, I doubt if they'll give you a refund, or anything. Maybe about a billion
of those HyperCard Toolbox disks...or a transfer to MacWEEK? If worst comes
to worst, stick 'em in a box and either a) donate them to the local library,
b) use them for the next homecoming bonfire, or c) turn them into confetti for
somebody's wedding (what could be more romantic than to be showered with drivel
from Dvorak?).

BTW, the September MW came, but no June, July or August, and the Sept. ish is
full of rather annoying mistakes. Sigh.

Erik

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Minh-Duc Tran
RE: Compactor on sys7

EID:ce13 16fb6920

> does it work??!?
> compactor pro

Sho' nuff, but with one exception: it can't "see" custom ICONs pasted into a
file via the Get Info box in the Finder. Bill Goodman, the author, says he isn't
planning to add the capability unless the format of Compact Pro archives changes
radically in the future (or enough people complain, I guess).

Erik

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Michael Campbell
RE: CI$ Software

EID:fa83 16fb6c00

> In a message to Doug von Roeder <21 Jul 91 20:31> Erik Kennedy wrote:
>
>  EK> I was on the verge of biting the bullet
>  EK> and subscribing. No way now. I only
>  EK> hope they can be made to realize that
>  EK> with the plant coming online next year
>
> The plant?  Que es?

The Plant(tm), the 300,000+ square foot ex-Data General manufacturing facility
located in Fountain, Colorado, just a few miles south of Colorado Springs, from
where you are receiving this message. The Plant was recently purchased by Apple
and will be sending the new portables out its doors as early as mid-spring of
1992. It's been rumored that when the Fountain plant goes on-line, the Fremont
plant will shut down. It's also been rumored that Apple may move some of its
lower-to-mid-level management out here, perhaps doubling the estimated 1000
jobs that the company has already promised will be filled over the next few
years (and that's not even counting the secondary stuff like restaurants, gas
stations, etc.). These and other similar rumors are being taken by the business
community out here with a large grain of salt, which is why I asked Mike Steiner
about them earlier this week, to see if he could shed any insider light on the
situation. (Turns out the same rumors are running rampant in the Valley.)

The Mac crowd here in the Springs is hoping that Apple's presence will lure
things like MacWorld Expos (United just introduced a direct flight between San
Fran and here), better dealer support (currently, there's only one dealer in
town, and nobody likes them), greater awareness of the Mac in businesses and
schools, a regular Apple presence at and increased interest in user groups,
and the like. So far, there is only one dedicated Macintosh BBS (SCORPION,
SS/HST,
719-637-1458, 1:128/46) in town, so guys like Doug von Roeder, Al Varnell, and
myself are well-positioned to keep the rest of EchoMac informed.

What got me so peeved about America OnLine is that they just discontinued 2400
baud service to the Springs, which, with the new significance of the area, is
a particularly dumb thing for them to do. If anything, they should be
considering
adding a 9600 bps line, or lower rates on their other lines, and the like...

Well, enough rambling. You get the picture--Apple is coming in a major way to
my area, and AOL has just done the absolute worst thing it could possibly do
to welcome them.

Erik

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09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Mike Taylor
RE: Re: MaxAppleZoom

EID:1cee 16fb6d40

> There is now a version 1.41 that does not have an expiration date and no
> shareware fee.  For the time he has removed the registration costs and will
> not be cashing a lot of the checks he received.  There is a READ ME doc
> included that explains his motivation.  I can post the excerpt here is there
> is a request.

If that READ ME file isn't too big, how about sending it to me in netmail?
Binhexed would be fine. I'm curious as to why somebody wouldn't want to cash
a check. :-]

You know the address.

Erik

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07/29/91
09:52:12

Erik Kennedy
Mike Taylor
RE: Compression on Mac

EID:b471 16fb6d60

> I do exactly the same thing.  Just for everyone's info, there is a program
> called DeSEA that removes the self-extraction code from Compact Pro and
> StuffIt Deluxe files.  It works on single files and all files in a folder,
> and it works great.

Does it work on DiskDoubler SEAs yet?

Erik

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07/29/91
11:37:44

Dorman Bullard
Liz Clayton
RE: TrashChute

>
> Dorman Bullard writes to Mike Taylor in a message of 21 Jul 91...
>
> DB> I left a message about this to the person who uploaded it to
> DB> America Online.  He said the author was aware of this "problem,"
> DB> and implied it was being worked on. I can't say for sure, but
> DB> I got the impression that this was considered a bug, and not
> DB> a normal process. Anyhow I would like to see a version perform
> DB> as you describe.
>
> I missed out--what is Trash Chute?
>

TrashChute is an application.  When another icon is dragged onto the TrashChute
icon, it is the same as dumping that file into the Trashcan with one notable
exception.  The trashcan is emptied immediately, without you having to
"manually"
empty it.  Another feature is that you can put the TrashChute file (or an alias)
in the Startup Items Folder.  This will cause TrashChute to run when you start
(or restart) the Mac, assuring you of a fresh, empty trashcan on startup.
TrashChute
is on America Online

It works great except for the problem cited earlier:  I you drop an Alias in
the TrashChute, the *ORIGINAL* is trashed.  So it is kinda dangerous.  One
"safety
feature" is that it will not accept folders, so you can only do yourself in
one file at a time (whoa, that may not be true, it may take multiple selections.
Anyhow, I still use it cause its a timesaver.

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11:37:44

Dorman Bullard
Liz Clayton
re: microsoft going soft

>
> Harry Hardon writes to Murray Kastner in a message of 20 Jul 91...
>
> HH> 2) an integrated thesaurus (no WordFinder DA that doesn't work
> HH> with anything else...let's have something in the program)
>
> Word Finder used to work with everything for me...(but not if I called it
up
> via macro!).....now, it won't work with ANYTHING, even Word.  I replaced the
> version on my hard drive with one fresh off the master, and still, no-go.
>

Are you talking about WordFinder not working in System 7?  If so, the workaround
is to install the DA directly into Word (Use Option to enable opening
applications
in Font/DA Mover).

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07/29/91
11:37:44

Dorman Bullard
Mike Taylor
RE: Re: MaxAppleZoom

>
> Thus quoth the Raven ...
>
> [re: MaxAppleZoom]
>
> BT> I paid my $ and the check was never cashed so he never got it
> BT> I guess
>
> There is now a version 1.41 that does not have an expiration date and no
> shareware fee.  For the time he has removed the registration costs and will
> not be cashing a lot of the checks he received.  There is a READ ME doc
> included that explains his motivation.  I can post the excerpt here is there
> is a request.


I'm pretty sure I saw a version number of 1.43 on America Online (at least
version
1.42).

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07/29/91
11:37:44

Dorman Bullard
Erik Kennedy
RE: One's mileage tends to vary

>
> > Hmm. This is disheartening. I have not been snotty enough about it! <grin>
> Ok:
> > A single-floppy system is a crippled system, period, no further argument
> > possible, world without end, amen.
> >
> > Rats. It didn't work. I've already been reasonable about it. Damn.
>
> Well, I'll back you up--a single-floppy system is invaluable to me, although
> it would be a hell of a lot more so if I had two 1440K drives.
>
> > Anyway, I can hardly wait until the time I can afford to add another floppy
> > drive to my Mac system. At the rate I'm going System 24 will be out, and
all
> > data transfer will be telepathic ...
>

I'll piggy-back on your message, Erik;  I am lost as to who this should be
addressed
to.  Anyhow, I once ran a one floppy system with a  1 MEG Mac 512 upgraded to
plus status (almost!).  I did this while I was waiting for a hard drive to be
repaired.  As an aside, I've been waiting for that hard drive t be returned
for 2-1/2 years now, and am startign to get suspicious!

Anyhow, I'm writing this with a tip in case the person I'm writing this to is
a beginner (I know this doesn't apply to you Erik, or you Mike.  The tip is
to use a RAM disk to emulate another floppy disk.  I made autoboot Ram disk
for various applications.  Using a minimum system with no printer drivers, a
minimum of DAs and Fonts, I was able to squeeze a system, finder and application
on a floppy disk along with the RAM disk software (the good old days???).  Then
I could put my documents and other utilities on my one floppy.  Had to reboot
another system to do something exotic like print something.  But, it beat the
heck out of swapping disk every 30 seconds.

If anyone complains about this message I'll get even by posting an even longer
one about how I use to boot AppleSoft Basic from a J.C. Penny's cassette
player!!
>;->  >;->

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07/29/91
11:37:44

Dorman Bullard
Chip Old
Re: SuperClock & Bubble Help

>
>
> In a reply to Tim Tuttle dated 23 Jul 91, you wrote:
>
>  GM> Of course, if SuperClock and the help menu are BOTH designed to
>  GM> give up space, it'd be fun to watch them duel it out for the
>  GM> little remaining menu bar space....<grin>  Which one gives up the
>  GM> space first?
>

I just got a couple of Extensions (each is 2K), one of which moves the Bubble
help off screen so there's more room, and the other of which removes 4 pixels
between each menu.  According to the author, the latter doesn't sound like much
space, but it adds up.

I haven't tried either yet. If the one that says it moves bubble help off the
screen does literally that, it would be interesting.  By that I mean if it
doesn't
destroy it, but just makes it think your sceen is larger, and puts it out beyond
the right margin of the visible screen.  If so, then it would seem one could
make a QuickKey to call up bubble help and the Shortcut screens even though
they are not visible.  Best of all worlds (except the "I never use anything
but the mouse" world).  I'll try it and find out.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Dave Morris
Joseph Emmanuel
RE: X-on X-off

EID:6761 16fa8720

Joseph Emmanuel writes in a message to Jonathan Gourd on 23 Jul 91

> Hand shaking cable are hard to come by.  I use Xon Xoff and it works great.

Joseph, Especially if you are using a Hi-Speed modem, you might want to try
a Hermes type 3 cable.  It is configured and available from the following:

CABLE ID 3:
Macintosh MINI DIN-8 Male  --------> RS-232 DB-25 Male
   1--------> 20, and 4
   2--------> 5
   3--------> 2
   8,4------> 7
   5--------> 3
   7--------> 8
   6 is not connected.


Sources to purchase cables for Hermes:

1] Mac Dataflow [phone]
Paul Keithley
206 Yardley Court
Abingdon, MD. 21009  $14+3SH

2] Electro Products [phone] [Seattle(206)859-0574]

3] Cables & Chips [phone] [New York(212) 619-3132]

The price will be around $20.00 and they will charge to your credit card or
ship COD.

I just ordered a cable from Paul Keithley.  It looks very professional and has
molded connectors complete with thumb-screws on the RS-232 end.  It carrier
detect from the modem pin 8 to the Mac pin 7.  If you are running a BBS (under
Hermes currently) on a Mac SE, II series (except LC and Si) you can use this
for CD.  The cable will work fine in any case for terminal use.  Cost for this
very fine cable was $14 + $3 shipping.  Paul guarantees them for life (his,
yours, or the cable not clear!).  Anyway, they are great, and Paul was fun to
talk to.  Give them a try.  You can return them if they don't work for you.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ray Leninger
Tim Brinley
RE: LASER WRITER PLUS TONER CARTS.
TB> 10 MILLION PLUS IMPORTED CARTIDGES

Sounds like an advertisement to me.  Imported?  Great--send your money
overseas.  I hope you're unemployed while the rest of the world eats steak
...er...sushi...

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ray Leninger
Tim Brinley
Re: LASER WRITER PLUS TONER CARTS.
You forgot to add your disclaimer to these advertisements.  (and you need
to find the "caps lock" key on your keyboard)

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Bill Maginnis
All
BBS Software Recommendations
I'm a Mac user and I'm currently looking into the options available
in setting up a BBS for the company I work for.  The BBS would be
for internal use only, but would be accessed nation-wide and globally.
  I ran a BBS from my home (Red Ryder Host) a few years ago and ran
a RR Host BBS used for testing at Apple Computer in Cupertino, CA.
I've never set up a PC-clone based BBS but I don't think I'd have
any problems I couldn't resolve so I'm open to that option.

I would like to hear what others have done with the following:
 o  Searching a database developed and maintained in-house
 o  e-mail
 o  incorporating network e-mail (QuickMail, mail on VAX minicomputer
    system)

  The Mac BBS systems available don't seem to have the 'hooks'
necessary to access a database while online.  I know about the
COMMAND-50/51 Sub-Launch option available within Second Sight
(RR Host), but the only databases I've heard of which support
sending data out a serial port are 4th Dimension, FoxBase (using
XCMDs), and an old dbms which I've forgotten the name of.

I hate to say this, but I think that the Mac is out of the running
as far as setting up a relatively inexpensive, multi-line, mult-user
BBS.  There's no way I can consider throwing a Mac II system with a
multi-serial port NB card at a BBS - talk about overkill!! Why
would anyone do this anyway - why waste a Mac when a cheap clone
can do this - they've gotta be good for somethin'! (;> he-he-he!

I've heard and read a little bit about The Bread Board (TBBS) and
the TDBS (database BBS) in "BOARDWATCH Magazine" - anyone done
anything along these lines? I'm familiar enough with PCs (and
minicomputers and mainframes as well as my real love, Macs!) to
be able set up a PC-based BBS.  We aren't looking at any
internet connections for this yet.  Just a stand-alone system which
would accommodate multiple phone lines.

  Let's have a little discussion here about what folks have done.
I'd appreciate any feedback and comments
-*-Bill

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Craig Vaughan
All
MacWoof version 1.0b5 available

EID:2a92 16fc8b00

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B8AE50

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5 Serial #000000
I have just released the next public version of MacWoof, 1.0b5, and it is
available
for downloading or f'reqing from the following boards:

Craig's Place     [phone]  1200/2400/9600 v.32/MNP5/LAPM
Board on Boards   [phone]  1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32/HST/MNP5/LAPM

The download name is MACWOOF.CPT and the f'req "magic" name is MACWOOF

It can also be downloaded from the personal files section of the Twilight Clone,
[phone] multi-line with various speeds available, see their bulletins
for details.

This is *nearly* the 1.0 release version. It has a number of fixes in place
that should make it work better with a variety of FidoNet mailers as well as
greatly improved transfer speed improvements especially at 9600 and faster.

The MacWoof echo is available for polling from 1:109/342 and should shortly
appear on the backbone once ELIST.108 is released.

- Craig

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Garner Miller
Ralph Wade Phillips
Re: Ti laserprinters

EID:6666 16fc5e00
>     Minor correction (not so minor when buying toner) .. The QMS 410, Personal
 >LaserWriters, LaserJet xP (x = II or III), and many others use the Canon !LX!
 >engine.  The original LaserWriters and LaserJets, the QMS PS810, and a few
 >others  >use (used?) the CX engine.  >  >     Parts are NOT interchangeable.

Thanks -- I realized my mistake a few days after I posted it.  In any case,
the QMS 410's output is, IMHO, considerably superior to that of the  LaserWriter
IINT; at least in terms of graphics.  Text is text, generally; they all look
generally the same.  But a greyscale graphic sent to the QMS really did look
a lot better (and took a lot less time) than the NT.

On another interesting note, some company has come out with toner cartridges
that lay down T-Shirt Iron-On Material!  They're currently only available for
the SX and CX cartridges -- hope the LX version comes out soon!  That could
be a blast at fairs and that sort of thing... :-)


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07/31/91
09:51:19

Garner Miller
Murray Kastner
TI LASERPRINTERS

EID:0a1b 16fc7b00

MSGID: 1:109/328.715@fidonet a4b89223

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
MK>  GM> I too am happy with my PS 410. One question: What _IS_ the
MK>  GM> technical support number.
MK>
MK> I am in Canada so I deal with the local office here in Montreal. It
MK> appears that QMS serv ices through local offices so I'd check it in the

MK> 'phone book.

Thanks for the tip. Something interesting I saw: After flipping through ALL
the manuals, unable to find a phone number, I looked at my as-yet-unmailed
registration
card: on the part that you're supposed to tear off and keep (with the warranty
on the back), it reads as follows:

"Thank you for purchasing....etc...  If you have any questions....QMS Inc.,
National Services, PO Box 81250, Mobile, AL  36689, [And look! ->] (205)
633-4300."

That's one for the address book!

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09:51:19

Garner Miller
Ira Lunsk
MacWoof

EID:8cd6 16fc7ba0

MSGID: 1:109/328.715@fidonet a4b89359

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
IL> Would someone post a number where I cold freq this file and where I
IL> can get the serial tool? I have the comm toolbox, I'm running
IL> Hermes, but not the serial tool. I have system seven, not installed
IL> yet, can I use the serial tool from system 7? Thanks for all and
IL> any replies.

System 7 doesn't include the communications tools themselves; just the internal
version of the Comm Toolbox.  The tool itself is FREQable from several sources,
including the author's system.  (Not sure what his FREQ name is.)  You're
welcome
to get it from me as "SerialTool.cpt" from node 1:109/328.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Garner Miller
Minh-Duc Tran
Compactor on sys7

EID:a355 16fc7bc0

MSGID: 1:109/328.715@fidonet a4b893b3

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
MT> does it work??!?
MT> compactor pro

That's "Compact Pro."  :-)  Compactor was the original name, but was changed
because of a conflict.  It does indeed work.  The only oddity I've personally
noticed is that under System 7, when you hit the "Add" button, you can't see
it adding to the list under the Dialog Box like it does under System 7.
Hopefully
Bill will correct that soon.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Garner Miller
Ralph Wade Phillips
RE: Compression on Mac

EID:a042 16fc7ce0

MSGID: 1:109/328.715@fidonet a4b895b6

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
RW> Check out Compact Pro - his SEA code adds slightly over 100 bytes(!) to
RW> the archive size.  With my BBS being on a PC, and my "cluster size" being
RW> 4K, it's very rare to take up ANY more disk space with a 100 byte overhead


Your numbers got messed up somewhere along the line -- Compact Pro, though one
of the tightest SEA creators (beaten by DiskDoubler by a few K), still adds
some 13K to the archive.  (I WISH it was only 100 bytes!  :-) )

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Jan Ohberg
Ira Lunsk
MacWoof

EID:20c8 12c531a0

MSGID: 2:200/301 7e057817
 > Would someone post a number where I cold freq this file and

Well, you can always get it here at HST14400 speed :-)

MACWOOF.BIN  152191 (v1.0b2) MacWoof Point Mailer
         Author: Craig Vaughan
         MacWoof is a software that let's you read and send EchoMail and Net-
         Mail from your Macintosh.   You can set MacWoof to dial and request
         messages automatically, then read and reply to them at your leisure.
         NOTE! You will need Communication ToolBox and SERTL101.


Regards Jan



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Jan Ohberg
Craig Vaughan
Re: MICROSOFT GOING SOFT?

EID:20c8 12c531a3

MSGID: 2:200/301 7e05998c

REPLY: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B5BCF4
 > bother
 > AF> to send in their registration cards.  I forget the figure he quoted,
but
 >
 > Having been involved with several s/w companies, a figure of 20%
 > is about normal and anything over 40% is unusual.

With the right price and if the software are good then the money comes in. We
should not forget that the expence of marketing a program are minimal and
therefore
it won't need a high pricing concept. As I can understand there are not many
program for Fidonet available as shareware (for the Mac) and therefore will
the competition not be to high for such a product. After all, Fidonet are for
hobbyist and then a high price will not fit in "the enviroment".
I know many companies that have made a great "boom" when they start as
a shareware company so the concept are not wrong. The method of displaying
"evaluation,
test etc etc" in shareware product is a good way of getting the money.

Last, the distribution of a shareware package are always granted in the SDS/SDN
etc fileecho's. Programs that are "crippled" are not allowed in such echo's.

Regards Jan

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09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Liz Clayton
Compression On Mac

EID:afa1 16fb3e20
In a message to Doug Von Roeder {24 Jul 91} Liz Clayton wrote:

> DA>  Actually, Compactor (v1.2.something) DID allow password protection.
> DA> The update Compact Pro 1.30 removed this function. I believe
> DA> the author quoted a reason having something to do with export
> DA> laws....
> DVR>  _Registered users_ receive the version that has encrytpion.
>
> Make that _Registered Users_ in _North America_ (or at least the
> US..).  Export laws forbid overseas users from utilizing the
> encryption feature.

Just the U.S., Liz, at least that is what it says on the copy of Retrospect
I've been setting up for a client (I gather "the law" is "the law" on all
encryption-equipped
programs....).

Linda

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09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Rick Emerson
The "information" Age

EID:b4f5 16fb3f20
In a message to Linda Cunningham {26 Jul 91} Rick Emerson wrote:

> In a msg of <25 Jul 91> to Adam Frix, Linda Cunningham posted:
>
>  LC> In a message to Erik Kennedy {21 Jul 91} Adam Frix wrote:
>
>  >> Erik Kennedy writes:
>  >> EK> Apologies if the Moderator considers this off-topic.
>  >>
>  >> moderator.  hmmmm.  Moderatress?
>  >>
>  >> "Herb, I've looked up 'executrix' in the dictionary.  It has
>  >> nothing to do with leather and high heels."
>  >> --Les Nesman
>
>  LC> Moderator is the appropriate, gender non-specific, expression.
>
> Yes, but if the moderator was given to practical jokes wouldn't
> they be moderatrix?  [Ducking and running from the Thought Police...]

ROFL!  (Groan, too....)  :-)

Question is, however, "how prone is Liz to practical (or impractical, for that
matter) jokes?"

Linda

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09:51:19

Linda Cunningham
Bernie Fritts
Useless Software

EID:a0b4 16fb4040
In a message to Linda Cunningham {25 Jul 91} Bernie Fritts wrote:

> LC>From the August/September 1991 edition of "Bride's" magazine:
> LC>
> LC>Make your wedding
> LC>BETTER THAN PERFECT
> LC>Plan with THE WIZARD!
>
> I wish I had that to help plan my brothers wedding.  I am serious, I
> really am.

You wouldn't be all that impressed if you saw the ad, however.  It looked like
it was cobbled together at the last moment on a non-ATM equipped ImageWriter.


Now, I'm not saying one should judge a piece of software by how it's packaged,
but if they don't care to make their ads at least somewhat inviting, I wonder
how much they care about the product....

It could be the best thing since XXX (insert the name of the software program
you couldn't live without here), but if it has a lousy/non-existant
manual/ad/support,
most folks get at least a little nervous (or should, IMHO).

Linda

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09:51:19

Stephen Johnson
Phil Jachem
Re: *True* true multitaksing

EID:a9c9 16fa9300
Believe what you want, but I have a problem with someone who can't spell
Jef Raskin correctly.

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09:51:19

Ken Mcneil
Joel Hanley
RE: re: 286 Mac

EID:4e2a 16fb62e0
Is a Mac that old relly worth the money for the upgrade? wouldn't you reallyh
be better of buying a uesed Mac + or SE?

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09:51:19

Richard Allen
All
Alias Assassin

EID:d8a1 16fbb078
For those of you with Compu$erve Membership, I noticed in the Sept. issue of
MacUser they have a neat program (at least it sounds neat- - - I don't have
a CI$ membership anymore) which is in the MacUser forum ZMac.  It is called
Alias Assassin, and is used to find and delete (if so desired) unattached Alias
that might be lingering on your HD.
I don't know if it is PD or what, but it sounds like a neat program to upload
if it is public domain and you have access to CI$.   I check America On Line
and it apparently is not there.
Just a thought............
Richard in St. Louis


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Richard Allen
All
VOLUME SIZES ON LARGE HD

EID:d8a1 16fbb13d
Some time ago there was an ongoing debate as to whether it was advantageous
to partition a large hard drive into smaller volumes to make the most efficient
use of the space available.  According to the Disk Doubler (by Salient) handbook
it is best to do so.  Following is some of a paragraph from that handbook.

"The volume block size is the minimum size chunk that must be used to allocate
space on a volume.  For example, with a block size of 2K, any file that is from
0 to 2K must occupy at least 2K, because space is allotted in 2K blocks.  Some
files have two forks (resource and data) and each fork is allocated separately.
 Thus with 2K blocks, a tiny file might occupy as much as 4K of the volume.
 As a guide, here are minimum block sizes for various volume sizes; these
figures
may vary slightly, depending on the formatting software and the exact size of
the volume:
                    0-60 MB                       1K
                    60-130 MB                    2K
                    130-180 MB                  3K
                    180-240 MB                  4K
                    240-320 MB                  5K
There is an easy way to figure out the block size of a volume:
       (1) create a very small file, say 10 bytes, using any program,
       (2) use the Finder's Get Info command to see the size on disk. Look at
the Size line:  e.g.  Size:  10 bytes used, 2K on disk."

In a paragraph on the following page, the handbook further states:
  "To avoid the negative aspects of large disks, you can partition a large disk
into more than one volume.  In general, we recommend that you volumes be no
larger than 120 MB each."
Hope this is of some interest to all you guys out there with those big fast
HD.
Regards.  Richard in St.Louis.... Long Live Disk Doubler!


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09:51:19

Steve Dunham
Adam Frix
RE: Quark XPress
  > Well, the Quark guy was in tonight, giving a demo of XPress 3.1.

Adam,

Did he show you the beta Quark XTension called "Make Aldus Cry?" So far, it's
worked *extremely* well over here...

Steve D.

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09:51:19

Steve Dunham
Steve Repp
RE: 512K
Steve Repp, on [07/25/91 08:05:00] asks regarding a 512K Mac:

  > I was wondering if anyone could tell me if a Mac512k that was
  > upgraded to a plus would have an AppleTalk card installed?

There is no such thing as an AppleTalk card for Macintosh computers. At least,

not unless you count the EtherNet or Token-Ring cards that incorporate
AppleTalk Filing Protocols...

Both your 512K Mac & the same upgraded to a Plus have AppleTalk built in. It's

on the main logic board, and is usually accessed through the Printer port.

If your 512K is not enhanced, that means that the Plus will have a ROM that
handles AppleTalk a bit better -- and a lot more, such as double-sided disks!

You will likely need a version of the System File "AppleTalk" (version 53.0
is
the latest I have seen), and possibly another called "ADSP" (Apple Data Stream

Protocol), which is generally included with applications that require it.

Beyond all that -- how much is this Mac512 to Plus upgrade going to cost you?
If it's around a thousand dollars (can't see how it can be less, knowing what
the dealer pricing is currently), I would strongly recommend taking a REAL
good look at the Classic.

Besides the ability to work with High-Density diskettes, a tad bit more speed,

and a replacement for the mouse on that venerable 512K Mac -- the year
warranty has got to be a big enticement. Add a bit more, and you get a 40Mb
Hard Disk and another Mb of RAM -- that's hog heaven compared to a 512K!

Take another look at the upgrade is my recommendation...

Steve D.

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09:51:19

Michael Campbell
Mike Taylor
Compression on Mac

MSGID: 1:363/1701.44 28917473

PID: XRS!% 4.50
In a message to Norm Goodger <23 Jul 91 16:26> Mike Taylor wrote:

 MT> And it irritates me to no end when I download a 20K SEA to find a
 MT> 5K file inside.

I would be hard pressed to name even 5 programs that are < 5k, esp Mac programs.
 (How many versions of "..Guess my Number.." do you *have?*)


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Michael Campbell
Vladamir Tatlin
Florida

MSGID: 1:363/1701.44 289175b1

PID: XRS!% 4.50
In a message to Anyone <25 Jul 91 18:54> Vladamir Tatlin wrote:

 VT> I am moving to Gainesville, Florida, and would like the number of
 VT> any Mac-oriented BBSs down there.
 VT> Suggestions?

As you know, Gainesville is a college town.  Indeed, when school is in session,
there are 40,000+ people there, and when not, very few.  When I went to school
there, UF had a student body of ~36000.  Us Floridians label Gainesville, (and
when you get there, you'll see why), "Cowtown".  The running anecdote about
Gville is directions how to get there.  "go north till you smell it, and east
till you step in it."

In any event, what this boils down to is that the turnover rate for BBS in that
area is astrnomical, with the student body fluctuating so radically.  Any bbs
up now will probably not be up next quarter, if even next week.  Your best bet
is to go to a comp. sci building and scour the (real cork type) bulletin boards.
 There are usually ads up for bbs' there.
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Michael Campbell
Erik Kennedy
MacWrite Pro Upgrades

MSGID: 1:363/1701.44 2891768d

PID: XRS!% 4.50

Completely seperate topic, but I'm getting frustrated.  Can I *BUY* your copy
of the PBS Eric Stoll episode?
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09:51:19

Michael Campbell
Mike Arst
SED AND AWK

MSGID: 1:363/1701.44 289177cc

PID: XRS!% 4.50
In a message to Julian Dow <22 Jul 91 09:35> Mike Arst wrote:

 MA> Alas, I am ***far*** from being an AWK guru - I can hardly figure
 MA> out how it works! I sure wish there were a full-blown
 MA> implementation of SED for the Mac (including: changes line
 MA> endings to LF internally, perhaps, but writes them out as plain
 MA> old CR). Meaning: a stand-alone utility that doesn't require some
 MA> Unix-like shell on the Mac to run.

Jeez, Mike, there used to be a little shareware util that would change fi's
and fl's to ligatures, remove/add line numbers, do/undo smart/dumb quotes and
remap char values.  ("Add/Strip", I think it was called).  As I recall, it would
do just about anything to a text file.  You might want to look around a bbs
for it.  Failing that, let me know, and I'll see if I can't dig it up for you.

 MA> I use Rob Duff's version of AWK (freeware) - look for AWK300.ZIP
 MA> on bulletin boards. I have sometimes considered getting a
 MA> commercial AWK version, which I hear is available from a company
 MA> called Polytron, somewhere in Oregon (?). Dunno how to contact
 MA> them, though. It would be nice to have a
 MA> version that is *FULLY SUPPORTED*!!!

MKS makes a $150-$200 set of Unix utilities including (but not limited to...)
sed and AWK.  Both are very good implementations, and of course the toolkit
comes with other Unix thingies; grep, ls, lc, wc, head, tail, etc...

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09:51:19

Rick Nickell
All
Orion VIRUS!!!
The game ORION has a MAJOR Virus on it....
DO NOT DOWNLOAD IT...
It will SERIOUSLY screw up your hard drive...
It took Norton utilities 45 minutes to repair my system after attempting to
run Orion last night....
It's not the sysop's fault...
It is the Uploader's fault...
Whoever uploaded it EITHER put the virus there on PURPOSE (If so PFUK YOU!)
Or he irresponsibly failed to check the file with a Virus Diagnoser whaich is
ALMOST AS BAD...

It is OUR responsibility to keep viruses off of the systems we use...
The sysop is not here to babysit us...There are Virus checkers all over the
files section here and you should NEVER upload ANYTHING without first checking

it for viruses...If you do, you might as well have put it there on purpose...
You'll know you have a virus when you see "MacBugs Installed" on start up...
I also made a mistake...I downloaded the file without checking it
afterwards....
Might I suggest that we all chaeck our files before running them...
I'm going to download it again and VIREX it...Let's see if that'll fix it...
CIAO...

---Hermes 1.7
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09:51:19

Rick Emerson
Erik Kennedy
RE: Useless Software

EID:6e92 16fd1f28

MSGID: 1:273/715.6 2893923d

In a msg of <25 Jul 91> to Lucien Dupont, Erik Kennedy posted:


 >> Re: MacWedding..
 >>
 >> Don't laugh! A friend I know has written three Hypercard stacks to do
 >> pretty well what this program does!! ;-)

 EK> I sense a look-and-feel suit coming on! ;-]

Before or *after* the wedding?

[Ducking, running, and laughing lewdly...]



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Craig Vaughan
Liz Clayton
RE: MacWoof beta version available

EID:1c38 16fcb0c0

MSGID: 1:109/342.365@fidonet A4B8F071

PID: MacWoof 1.0b5 Serial #000000
LC> Technical support for products with their own echo are recommended to stay
LC> in said echo.  Since MacWoof is a new product, and only recently did the
LC> author (if he even has yet) get linked to the nonbackboned MACPOINT echo,
LC> discussion of the product will be allowed until I decide it's getting too
LC> extensive or detailed to properly serve a useful purpose within the
LC> boundaries of the echo.

Understood and appreciated Liz! Been having a problem getting hooked into
MacPoint
but think I have the problem with the node I am linking through solved. Also,
the MacWoof echo will be listed in EList.108 and once that happens, all I need
is for a few systems in different regions to request it from their NECs and
all of the traffic will move there.

So in the meantime, thanks for letting EchoMac help out!

- Craig

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09:51:19

Leo Bores
Rick Emerson
Word

EID:4c18 16fd80b9

REPLY: 1:273/715.6 2891a385
In a message of <Jul 27 16:45>, Rick Emerson (1:273/715.6) writes:

 LB> Does anybody know the keystroke sequence to open a Word file to the last
 LB> cursor positin?

 RE>Wish I had the sequence but I don't.  In the interim, why not put a
 RE>bookmark at that point and go to the bookmark (or am I confusing Word
 RE>for Mac and Word For Windows)?

Yes.

Leo Bores


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Gregg Phillips
All
NOECHO

EID:6419 16fb6300

Sorry Folks, lost this entire thread due to operator error.  The unfortunate
part of that statement is that I was the operator. :(

-Gregg
Sysop

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Jim Redelfs
Gregg Phillips
RE: RE>RE> Fidonet routing
> That looks confusing up there but I think I understand what you are
> saying.
>  Yes, I am receiving messages from my HUB and yes, I do have my software set
> to Poll him. Is this correct?

Probably ... officially.

With the proliferation of Continuous Mail (24-hour crashmail events), polling
for news isn't nearly as important as it once was.

I still poll my host (HUB) during ZMH for my daily stuff but, since I've begun

supporting Continuous Mail, I rarely get much during that event.  Instead, the

HUB calls my system NUMEROUS times each day and DELIVERS my mail.

If I'm away, it's great.  If I'm  working at my computer, it's a PAIN IN THE
BUTT!!!  I get crashed ALL THE TIME - and can't use my SE during the event.

Oh, well.  The price of this progress...      !          :)

JR

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09:51:19

Jackie Tanaka
Tom Hardy
Re: PRINTER MILEAGE

EID:8cf2 16fb521a
Apple does have a printer refurbishment kit for their
LaserWrite - I forget what comes with it - for $759 or
$789 list.  We have a LaserWriter IINTX with 103,000 copies
over two years.  Our service technician said they recommend
installing a refurbishment kit at the 100,000 copy level.

The printer seems to be fine but the company wants to
have the refurbishment done because we can't afford to have
the printer go down.

I guess the rollers and other moving parts wear down over time.

You might want to wait until October when Apple is going to
release its new LaserWriters, the IIf and IIg.  They're both
300 dpi 8 page per minute printers.
The IIf has a 20MHz 68030 and will cost $3,999.  The IIg is
similar to the IIf but also includes a 68882 math coprocessor
and built-in Ethernet.

If you do print graphics, the new printer will handle gray-scale
information better than your IINT.

You can upgrade to a IIf for $2,200 or to a IIg for $3,500.
I believe Apple will give you a credit for your old controller
board.

We upgraded a IINT to a IINTX.  The new controller board was
about $2,100. Apple gave a $935 credit for return of the old
controller board so the net cost was about $1,165 plus local
sales tax.


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Jackie Tanaka
All
HP DeskWriter

EID:8cf2 16fb5373
I just got a DeskWriter for home use.

It's being used with a Mac SE/30 under System 7.0 and the 2.1
DeskWriter printer driver - serial version.

I have some Adobe Type 1 fonts and ATM 2.0 loaded on system.
When I print a Word 4.0d dument formatted in Tekton, a
message advises me that the DeskWriter is creating a screen
because it can't find a printer font for Tekton.

Doesn't the DeskWriter work with ATM and Adobe Type 1 fonts?
Will it work correctly if I connect DeskWriter to the Mac
via LocalTalk cables?
Do I have to get an update to ATM?
Do I have to install the DeskWriter fonts?

HP claims their driver is "compatible" with System 7.0.


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Chad Solomon
All
Apple II extender card

EID:874e 16fc9d20

MSGID: 1:115/729 2893b187
I bought a Apple IIe extender card for my mac LC to use some of the software
I had from a IIc I fried.  I have 2 Problems-
1. The start-up application isn't 7 compatable. Does anybody know when a upgrade
is coming out?
2. I can't open up programs using Run BRun format. How the hell do you do it?
             Chad Solomon


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Chip Old
Ed Hackett
RE: Rebound & System 7


In a reply to me dated 26 Jul 91, you wrote:

 EH> There's a new version of scroll init available. It's fully
 EH> compatible with system 7. It's called scroll2 v. 2.1. I've been
 EH> using it for a week or two and have experienced no problems with
 EH> init conflicts, etc. with sys 7.

Scroll2 v2.1 and the old SFScroll INIT I was talking about serve two entirely
different purposes.  Scroll2 puts up and down (or left and right) arrows at
both ends of a scroll bar.  It's great on a large monitor, but of no practical
value on a small monitor like my SE/30's.  SFScroll INIT, on the other hand,
added a "rebound" function to the "Open" and "Save as..." dialogs, just like
Rebound and Boomerang do.

 EH> There is also a new version of rebound available. It's version
 EH> .95. Again, no troubles. I got both programs from AOL last weekend.

That's the version of Rebound I have, and it dates from March 1989.  Not exactly
new!  However, it seems to work fine with System 7 even if it IS an antique.


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Chip Old
Ira Lunsk
RE: MacWoof


In a message to All dated 22 Jul 91, you wrote:

 IL> I have the comm toolbox, I'm running Hermes, but not the serial
 IL> tool. I have system seven, not installed yet, can I use the serial
 IL> tool from system 7?

The Serial Tool doesn't come with System 7, so you will still have to find it
elsewhere.  If you're running under System 6.0.X, you will also need to install
the Communications Toolbox before you can use the Serial Tool.  Under System
7 you just drop the Serial Tool into your Extensions folder, because the
functions
of the Comm Toolbox are built into System 7.


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Chip Old
Eddie Crawford
RE: Re: Mac Names


In a reply to Stephen Rea dated 24 Jul 91, you wrote:

 EC> Just because its a different market, (Coke Classic, mac classic)
 EC> Doesnt mean that Apple could use the classic name if Coke wanted
 EC> to be difficult.

But Apple licensed the "Classic" name from another computer company who use
it as the name for one of their minicomputers.  CocaCola and Coke Classic have
nothing to do with this.

 EC> Sony (you know the3 walkman company) sued a small restraunt in a
 EC> mall in some city that was called Sony's...

That was here in Baltimore.  The restaurant was originally called "Sony's",
which is the owner's first name.  When Sony Corp started hassling her about
it, she added her last name (which I've forgotten) to the name of the
restaurant.
 As a result of the lawsuit, she had to remove the word "Sony" from the
restaurant
name entirely.  Given the legal clout Sony Corp has and the vehemence with which
they presseds the suit, I'm surprised the poor woman wasn't forced to change
her own name as well as the name of her restaurant.  Sony Corp wasn't very
popular
around Baltimore for a while, but I doubt that they lost much sleep over the
fact.


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09:51:19

Chip Old
Greg Brown
RE: ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE


 GB> To any who read this, what's the best way to learn assembly
 GB> language?

By injection.  Trouble is, it has a 50% chance of being lethal.


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09:51:19

Chip Old
Steve Repp
RE: 512K


 SR> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if a Mac512k that was
 SR> upgraded to a plus would have an AppleTalk card installed?

All the hardware needed by AppleTalk is and always has been built into ALL Mac
models.  There's no need for a separate card.


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09:51:19

Chip Old
Roger Perry
RE: disinfectant


 RP> ...could someone please tell me the latest version of Disinfectant?

2.5.1


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09:51:19

Brad Ackerman
Benjie Putnam
RE: upgrade
BP> I have a Mac SE with a 20 Meg internal hard drive and a SuperDrive.  I am
BP> thinking about upgrading it, and I would really like color.  Does anyone
BP> know of anything I can do to get color for my SE without buying a whole
BP> new computer?


    There is a device called ScuzzyGraph that you can buy that hooks up a
color monitor to the SCSI port.


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09:51:19

Brad Ackerman
Eddie Crawford
RE: Re: SOFTPC
EC> Why dont you just get Microsoft flight simulator for the mac?! They are
EC> supposed to be releasing a new and improved version shortly as well...


    When???


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07/31/91
09:51:19

Brad Ackerman
Ralph Wade Phillips
RE: Makeing PS File with sys 7
RWP>      See also the Apple "Macintosh Reference for System 7", Page 131, for
RWP> 0an example of the basic dialog box. Said manual comes in the purchased
RWP> 0System 7 upgrade, and also is available separately at some Apple dealers
RWP> 0(Apple sells them in 5paks, but some dealers will bust a 5pak so you can
RWP> 0purchase just the manual, if you wish.)


Why would you buy a $20 manual when you can get the Macintosh Bible Guide to
System 7 for only $12, $9 if you already have the Macintosh Bible?


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09:51:19

Brad Ackerman
Geoff Peters
Jabberwocky
Which version of Jabberwocky are you using?


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07/31/91
09:51:19

Bob Fuller
Garner Miller
Offline Reader
Thanks! I've got a copy of it now and have been unable to get it to work. I
have a copy of The Communication Toolbox, but it either isn't complete or I
need something else to get it to run.
If you can offer any assistance I would appreciate it!


Bob

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09:51:19

Steve Bigley
Liz Clayton
DSADSA

EID:10ea 0040c740

MSGID: 1:234/4.1701 7e12aac2
 > DF> DSADSDSAS
 > DF> (6:720/901)
 >
 > Gosh, I love that zone six link....
 > <sigh>

Direct netmail, or via the ZoneGate?

 >  * Origin: Friends don't let friends stick forks in NuBus Slots

Huh?     }8^)

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09:51:19

Bruce Tomlin
Liz Clayton
System 7 tricks

MSGID: 1:387/555 7e8eba70
 > I'm using 6.2d5, and nada happens when I point at the icon.

Make sure the file name is "MacsBug".  (Even though it won't load if
renamed)

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09:51:19

Bruce Tomlin
Erik Kennedy
RE: Apple/ibm Agreement

MSGID: 1:387/555 7e8ec41b
 > My high school only had one Mac, too. (How's that for a desperate
 > attempt to get back on-topic?)

Well it was ten years ago, but my school only had 4 DecWriter II
terminals hooked up to an HP-3000 via 300 baud acoustic modems!  And
then they got a few Apple II's!  :)  (Oh yes, and there was a roomful of
Commodore PET's hooked up to a single floppy drive for the Fundamentals
of Math class)

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Ken Kirksey
Maurice Sharp
RE: MICROSOFT WORD 5.00B

MSGID: 1:3613/13.4@fidonet a4b595da

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
>
MS>     So what would you choose ? I looked at WordPerfect, but they still use
MS> the
MS>
MS> code scheme underneath (major gross for transfering documents to something
MS> else). MacWrite Pro is still underfeatured. Nisus looks nice but I have
MS> not
MS> had a chance to play with it.
MS>
MS>     Any comments ?

   Of the word processors that I've worked with (MS Word, MacWrite Pro,
WordPerfect,
and WriteNow) WriteNow stands out head and shoulders above the rest.  It is
feature laden without being cluttered and it is reasonably priced.  You can
get it mail order for $120.

                                Ken

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09:51:19

Ken Kirksey
Tom Hardy
PRINTER MILEAGE

MSGID: 1:3613/13.4@fidonet a4b59811

PID: MacWoof 1.0b2
TH> Our LaserWriter Plus has 94,000 pages on it by now after 3 or 4 years of
TH> use
TH> and I'm wondering how much more life can be expected. We want to get an
TH> accelerator
TH> board which quadruples the speed and doubles the resolution, but should
we
TH> do
TH> that to this old workhorse or upgrade the printer. I'm not really sure
TH> what
TH> components wear out on the laserwriters. Any hardware experts out there?

If I recall correctly, the engines in the LaserWriters are supposed to be
good for about 500,000 pages.

                                 Ken
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09:51:19

Joseph Emmanuel
Bruce Tomlin
RE: X-on X-off

EID:9523 16fc9660

>  JE> However, the HHS is recommended over Software Flow Control (X-on,
>  JE> X-off).  In SFC has no way to tell the modem sending data to stop
>  JE> sending when the buffer of the receiving modem is over flowing.
>
> No, the modems have a handshaking protocol between each other.  It's
> the connections between the modems and the computers that cause the
> problems.  The reason not to use XON/XOFF is that when you transmit
> binary files, XON/XOFF codes will be dropped from the transmitted data
> and/or lock up the transmission unless you use a Data Link Escape
> mechanism whereby any of a few control characters in the data (XON,
> XOFF, and DLE) are escaped by sending a DLE character followed by the
> control code XOR $40.
>
>  JE> That might case lose of data.
>
> But confusion with binary data WILL cause loss of data.


Here is an excerpt from page 4-8 of the US Robatic manual for HST modems:

      "WARNING:  If possible, always use hardware flow control.  You
       may lose data if XON/XOFF characters occur in the data stream
       from other source.  They may, for example, come from the remote
       system:  an XON from the remote system, after your modem has
       sent an XOFF, can result in buffer overflow."

That were I draw my conclusion in the message I posted above.  It might not
have been an exact word as what is been said in the paragraph by USR, but that
is what I meant.

USR recommends HHS (hardware flow control) over SWH (software flow control).

      -Joseph

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09:51:19

Doug Von Roeder
Erik Kennedy
RE: CI$ Software

EID:8c47 16fc6920

Erik Kennedy writes in a message to Michael Campbell

EK> Well, enough rambling. You get the picture--Apple is coming in
EK> a major way to my area, and AOL has just done the absolute worst
EK> thing it could possibly do to welcome them.

I wrote a  nasty gram to AOL and they gave me the phone numbers to contact
Telenet
and Tymenet.
CIS Navigator should be arriving next week

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Terry Teague
Pete Smith
Re: Mac BBS Software
In a message to All dated 07/20/91 at 15:46:07, Pete Smith writes:

PS>      Greetings! In several past messages, folks have mentioned Mac
PS> BBS software. Might someone also post a list of boards where
PS> shareware versions/demos of these programs might be found? I am,
PS> for example, trying to find a copy of Nova Link Pro to look at and
PS> have been unable to find it.
I am the author of WWIV Mac BBS, a popular ShareWare BBS program for the
Mac. The current version is 3.0, for which I ask $30. The software can be
obtained from major online services, user groups, local BBS's, and
directly from me. To get the software from me, send $30 and/or 2 blank
disks to :
T. R. Teague,
530 W. Dana St.,
Mountain View,
CA  94041
When you register the softare, you will receive "goodies" and information
on support.
Hope this helps.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Terry Teague
Doug Hanson
RE: Re: Mac BBS software
In a message to Terry Teague dated 07/20/91 at 14:50:23, Doug Hanson
writes:

DH> Does version 3.0 support WWIV.NET transfers(linking to the NETs)?
WWIV Mac BBS 3.0 does NOT support the IBM WWIVNET (or WWIVLINK), but DOES
support FidoNet, through the use of the Tabby package (available
separately from its author Michael Connick) - however, for your info,
there are 3rd party applications for the IBM version of WWIV that allow
access to FidoNet, so in theory, WWIV Mac BBS 3.0 could communicate with
WWIVNET/WWIVLINK. Hope that helps answer the question.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Lewis Stead
Liz Clayton
RE: Re: Next Stuff

EID:df25 16f94560

 LC> Because this is not a NeXT echo.

Thank you.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Lewis Stead
Mike Steiner
RE: WORD AND THE SI

EID:8bda 16f94600

I don't know about Word, but I recently had to reinstall Pagemaker and during
the installation it checks for a FPU then.  Word also installs from multiple
floppies so this is probably the reason it doesn't "check."  After all, why
would anyone "downgrade" from a FPU machine to one without a FPU?

Here's a question relating to this.  I have software FPU running on my system.
 If there are applications that check for and utilize a FPU am I better off
turning the SFPU off and installing so they don't utilize it or am I better
off with them passing stuff to the init, or doesn't it make any difference?

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09:51:19

Lewis Stead
Harry Hardon
re: microsoft going soft

EID:db2c 16f94700

Since so many people don't register software (I usually get around to it when
the upgrade comes out to be honest) it would be impossible for MS to prosecute
pirates based on their ad.  Wouldn't it make them look "special" to go after
someone who was a legal but unregistered user thinking they were a pirate?

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09:51:19

Lewis Stead
Doug Hanson
RE: Re: Mac BBS software

EID:5a95 16f94740

  DH> Does version 3.0 support WWIV.NET transfers(linking to the NETs)?

If it doesn't, I second the motion that it do so in the future.

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07/31/91
09:51:19

Barry Conner
Stephen Rea
Re: T-16 wig-out
 >Are you sure that you don't have any screen magnifiers installed?  Apple
 >CloseView can get installed and macgnify the screen without any from the
 >monitor company.

 yes. I'm sure.  That's definately not causing the random zoom-in.

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09:51:19

Stephen Rea
Steve Repp
Re: 512K

MSGID: 1:260/204 2892bdca
AppleTalk has been included in ALL Macintoshes, from the 128 up.  The AppleTalk
Workstation card is for the Apple // family only (and the IIGS has AppleTalk
built-in, just like the Mac).

Steve

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09:51:19

Stephen Rea
Ralph Wade Phillips
Re: Why?

MSGID: 1:260/204 2892c0e0
If your screen clears during boot, you have the AppleSHARE workstation software
installed.  AppleTALK is the communication protocol.  LocalTalk is the wiring
between machines.  The AppleTalk Filing Protocol (AFP) is the toolbox routines.
 File servers like AppleShare, FileSharing (under System 7) and DataClub are
AFP compliant and you select file servers with the chooser.  TOPS is a non-AFP
compliant file sharing program and needs a seperate program (ie Tops DA) to
access file servers and can only mount TOPS volumes).

There is no AppleTalk INIT.

Steve
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